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Now, they're doing some kind of study with them.

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I see.

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But I imagine that they will be available for study

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probably within the next four weeks, I imagine.

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I see.

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Now, you had quite an experience with that object.

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I wonder if we could get a description

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exactly what happened.

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You mean the tail?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Well, it was in San Pedro in the 6th.

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And I was behind my house.

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I was in a field.

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I was getting ready.

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I was going to take some photographs.

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You can hear me OK now?

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Yes.

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And I hadn't taken any.

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And I turned around.

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And well, before that, I heard an electric sound.

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Something like an electric motor.

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And I turned around and I said, you have to hold it.

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And it was about 100 feet in diameter.

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And possibly 2,500 feet away from me.

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I can say it could be farther or closer.

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But it went over my brother's house.

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It was the way I was looking at it, I think.

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And it came almost completely over me.

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And it reversed and went back into another field.

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I don't know how far away.

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And then it came over in another clearing.

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And then back into it went over, sort of like trees,

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into another clearing.

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And that's when I was taking the motor.

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OK, now would you describe to that bit of being taken aboard

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just how it appeared to you?

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Well, it appeared as if I was being pulled inside it

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in a terrific amount of speed.

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And I found myself inside this room.

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But it was circular.

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It was about five feet in diameter.

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And on the lenses, I mean, excuse me, on the walls,

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there were these lenses that were kind of somewhat

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like camera lenses.

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And they were glowing on and off with an orange color.

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And there was a grate on the floor.

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And it was glowing on and off, too.

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And these lenses, they were kind of waste-fired around it.

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They weren't completely all over the inside of the room.

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But at a certain level, all completely around me,

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as far as I could see.

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And I couldn't move except for my head.

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I'm really not sure how long I was in the USO.

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But in that particular room, I would stay about 30 seconds.

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And then afterwards, I found myself back on the ground

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close to the same position that I was when

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I was taking the boarder.

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And my camera was off to the side of me.

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Now, do you remember the type of opening

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that you did you go through an opening going into the craft?

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I don't remember.

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Oh, I remember just being pulled at a speed

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and finding myself in the room.

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I see.

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And then you were returned the same manner, then?

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Returned to the ground.

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Probably somewhat the same manner.

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I don't really know.

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Because I was probably asleep or knocked out or something.

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I see.

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And then the craft, did it just leave after you

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went back to the ground?

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Well, I didn't see it after I was put back on the ground.

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I don't know how long, but I was out.

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But it was gone when I got up.

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My father said that telling was long,

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which, because I was gone, was really longer

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than what I said I was.

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I see.

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Because he said that I could have been inside it

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for a pretty long time, because I was gone quite a bit.

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How long?

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How long did he feel that you were gone?

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Well, he never did really say how long

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that he feel that I was gone.

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But the whole incident, I would say,

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took around two or three minutes in my sense of time.

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Yes.

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But he said that it could have been anywhere

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taken for 45 to 50 minutes.

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I see.

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But afterwards, I come up to the house.

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I was about 175 feet away from here, the site.

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And I told my father, and he kind of didn't believe me.

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After first night, I tried to convince him.

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He finally did believe me.

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I called my brother.

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He said I was pretty shook up about it.

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But the same day, at almost the same time, I believe,

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there was a site at the same craft, maybe the same craft,

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by something that used to be our neighbor that

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was visiting our parents about three quarters of a mile

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away from here in North.

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And they was backing out of their parents' driveway

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and getting ready to go home.

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And the woman she told her husband

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that she'd seen something kind of shiny back in the sky

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around down here by our area.

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And by the time she got turned around, it was gone.

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I see.

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Now, was there any sound from this craft that you heard at all?

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Well, at first, I heard an electric, like motor sound.

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Yes.

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But I don't recall hearing that while I was taking the pictures.

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It was probably there, but I just

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didn't pay any attention to it.

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Yes.

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Now, when you were aboard, did you

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hear any type of anything that would resemble voice

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communication, or did you get any kind of communication of it?

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Any kind when you were aboard?

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I mean, I was a little telepathic or something.

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Yes.

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Well, not really.

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I kind of felt weird and funny.

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I hadn't felt before anything when I had a felt sensor.

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I'd felt before that of somebody kind of being there.

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But otherwise, there was no communication.

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I see.

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And has there been anything happened to you since that time,

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since your experience?

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What really do you mean?

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Well, is anything strange?

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I had terrible dreams.

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I see.

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And were these in relation to obvics?

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Yes.

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Same identical.

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The same obvics.

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I was in my bedroom when I was asleep,

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and I heard a noise, and I looked outside.

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And here it was going around the house.

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And I kind of hid underneath my bed,

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and I was pretty scared.

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And several other ones pertain.

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Just about the same thing.

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I see.

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And also, we have a dog.

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It's an air dale.

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And my father, he really doesn't think that might have

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been any effect on her.

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But before I took the picture, she was pretty close to me.

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She was about 100 feet away from me.

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I'm close to a creek.

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I had seen her after.

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I mean, I'd seen her before the siding,

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but I hadn't seen her during it.

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And after the siding, she's kind of act funny.

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She hasn't had very much spooze as much as she did have.

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And she hasn't seen much excited about anything.

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What time was it that this experience took place?

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What time of the day?

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It was around 2.30 PM.

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Played around 2.30 and 3.30.

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Most possibly 2.30 and 3 o'clock.

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Now, were those photographs, were they Polaroids,

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or just the regular roll film?

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They were 35 millimeter.

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I see.

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And did they all come out fairly well?

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Yes, except one in which they're studying now,

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a professional photographer.

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And Bill Villanois is reducing the size of it.

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They were overexposed quite a bit.

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And the company that had developed the film

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is just like a store company.

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And they didn't develop this photograph, I guess they couldn't.

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I see.

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They had six photographs, really counting

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that one that wasn't developed.

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Have you ever talked about this with Dr. Heineck?

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Yes, I have.

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What is his conclusion?

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Well, I really haven't been able to talk to Dr. Heineck

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since about three months ago.

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And I was supposed to send photographs in a detailed sheet

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of it, and I never was able to send it to it.

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I asked these people at MEPHON to relay the message

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to them, relay it to them.

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Yes.

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Send me the photographs.

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But you really believe yourself then

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that you were actually taking aboard this craft

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through some means which you can't really explain.

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Yes.

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And then transported back to the ground.

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OK.

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Uh-huh.

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OK.

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Now those photographs, we would like very much

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to get a copy.

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Are they going to be available to research organizations?

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Well, they're going soon going to be available.

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Some certain copies of them, about three copies

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of the most clear one.

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Yes.

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Sending to Dr. Heineck.

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And I imagine that if I told the organization that they could

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send some to the Mice and Highlands, no one would.

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In as much as you've had what we would refer to

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as a very classic experience, we're

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very interested in anything that will happen,

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unusual things that would happen to you any time in the future.

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And we'd appreciate hearing from you either by phone

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or by mail in relation to this.

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Well, now these photographs, would you

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like to have them sent to you by mail?

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Or?

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Yes, that would be fine.

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And of course, we're willing to pay for what we get

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as long as the price is reasonable.

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Phenomenal research, it's a very private, very small

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organization in Seattle.

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And we're covering the entire Pacific Northwest.

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And of course, we learned about your experience

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by newspaper clipping.

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It came a little bit late.

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But where was your step from?

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Pardon?

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Where did you receive yours from?

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It was from the Union in Vandalia.

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Did they send one to you?

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No, we had it picked up through a clipping service.

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They sent clippings on UFOs from all over the country.

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This is a going thing for our records.

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But I was going to have them reproduce the rest of them

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in 8 by 10.

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Fine.

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What's going to happen next time?

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I would like to have my negatives back for just a short time

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to get them reproduced on my own.

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Do one of a private copy and agency up here.

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I see.

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I do quite a bit of business, too.

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I will have a summary produced for you there.

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Very good.

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I have a pen to you.

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Fine.

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Very good.

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OK.

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And we sure appreciate it.

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And it's been a pleasure talking to you.

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OK.

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And keep in touch if anything special happens to you.

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What do you mean, though?

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Wider.

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Anything that any new experience that you think

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is directly associated with your first encounter.

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OK.

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I sure will.

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Thank you very much.